Several more responses to the paper have reached me since I posted the last ones, I post them here without (initial) comment).

From: Susan Du Preez
Re: Digital Freedom Debate


Just read the email you posted from and to Uwe…. excellently answered !

I am gonna add my bit too……

Corporates locally and abroad are definitely moving towards the OpenSource world, not because of the “freedom” sadly, but because of budgets.
They are STILL trying to controll what their employees/students are doing and saying. They simply put “corporate policies” into the employee’s work contract.
No individuality is allowed, is what I am trying to say. This starts at Primary schools all the way right up to Government corporates.

The message going out to our kids sadly is, you WILL be one of the sheep in the group…… there is however a small candle light at the end of the dark tunnel for the first time ever!
Geeks are reaching out instead of hiding these days :) and as far as this Geek is concerned its about time!!!!!

From: Georgez Kaznadar
Re: comparisons between free and non-free software


Hello, I just read Uwe Thiem comparing Konqueror vs. IE.

both of them are valuable tools to browse the web, files in the
computer, and files in computers of a Windows domain. As far as I
know, Konqueror has some reacher features, for example there are
additional protocols, as the protocol fish:// which enables browsing
files in computers that you can join by a secure shell protocol : then
the communication is protected by strong cryptography.

I believe that accessing my data over the web with confidential tools is
part of my freedom.

—–

Further, Uwe Thiem compares Gperiodic and Kalzium to other anonymous(?)
teaching tools for chemistry.

I believe that a student using Gperiodic and Kalzium has more freedom
than with other programs. First of all, (s)he can redistribute these
programs without being an outlaw. Students are not majoritarily skillful
enough to patch programs like Gperiodic or Kalzium. However, if they
want add some resources to them, they can. Gperiodic has a feature
allowing to link web pages of your choice to any element in the table.
These pages may have been authored by you, or just visited, then linked
by you. On the contrary, enrichments I see in some “commercial” websites
about the periodic table of elements are mostly incitements to buy
something or to visit some webshop… see for example a page about
Niobium at

http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Nb/key.html

Kalzium has a few photos linked to elements: it is easy to
enrich this pool of documents. Then again the question: enriching a
non-free software with a photo is possible… However if you contribute
to a software with a GPL license like Kalzium, your name will be cited
in the copies and derivatives of the modified version you made.

Best regards, Georges.


From: Odile Bénassy
Re: Have you heard about Celestin Freinet?

INTRODUCTION

Underachievement in education. Academic success. Changing attitudes
towards learning. Raising educational standards. Learning difficulties.
Low expectations. Violent behaviour. Back to basics. Citizenship. Moral
values. Gap between school and enterprise.

In the United Kingdom as in France, public opinion is concerned with
educational matters. Everyone is looking for concrete and effective
-and preferrably inexpensive- solutions. Could it be that with a
little more punishment and a better selection …

Is hard pedagogy the only way?
What if soft pedagogy could give us a hand?
Could the 3R’s (Reading, wRiting and aRithmetics) progress to the 5 R’s
(… Re-discovering and Re-creating)?

For several decades an educational movement has inspired the practice
of numerous teachers in Europe, Africa and America. In France, this
cooperative pedagogy has gained official recognition and is used by
state primary school teachers in a class practice which must comply
with the requirements of both the national curriculum and the
inspectors of education.

This movement, which is virtually unknown in the United Kingdom, is the
Freinet movement, named after its founder Célestin Freinet (1896-1966).
Freinet regarded learning as a form of work, and developed active
methods making use of techniques and tools: a journal written and
printed by children, le texte libre (free writing), correspondence
between schools, a weekly work plan, self-assessment, la classe
promenade (field trip), presentations based on enquiries, a pupils’
council and a school cooperative.

And today the teachers in the Freinet movement use the Internet.

This approach to learning, which is both rational and optimistic, seeks
to create the conditions for an experience that will overcome what John
Dewey called the Eithers Ors, the false opposites. Between democracy
and discipline, behaviour and learning, knowledge and realization,
individual activities and collective tasks, artistic creation and
scientific trial and error, play and work, effort and joy.

But does it work?

On 6 and 7 June 1997, the Cultural Department of the French Embassy,
the French Institute and the Alliance Française in London organized an
International Seminar dedicated to the Cooperative Pedagogy of Célestin
Freinet. About fifteen researchers and practitioners from Belgium,
Brazil, Canada, the United States, France, Great Britain, Ireland,
Japan and Poland examined the relevance and effectiveness of this
practical theory founded on the curiosity and need for action of the
human animal and careful not to under-estimate the natural abilities of
children. Such theory aims at teaching young individuals to deliberate,
solve problems, and live creatively together in a democratic place.

(http://ecolesdifferentes.info/FREINETLONDRES.htm)

more on
http://ecolesdifferentes.free.fr/STARKEY.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freinet

Take care

When you write a piece like the one I presented at digital freedom, the best you can hope for is to spark real discussion and debate. I got some good feedback on the day, but it’s interesting that via my blog the dialog got more complete. I received the following e-mail today:

From: Uwe Thiem
Hi AJ,

I have read your speach carefully. Same for the presentation. I have been
through www.ofset.org. Still, I am puzzled.

I do agree with you analysis. Our cultures are rigid, authoritarian and
against dissent. Interesting enough, Hidipo Hamutenya, s SWAPO (sic!) MP and
former minister had a lengthy article in The Namibian today. Two small
quotes: “Another sad blemish on our young democracy is the backward tendency
of intolerance against those who are perceived to hold opinions that are
different from those of some of the powers that be.” The second
one: “Namibians must learn to allow different schools of thought to contend.
We must make conscious and honest efforts to defend and promote freedom of
expression in our society.” This was the first time I heard a popular SWAPO
leader spell it out this clearly.

And yes, I completely agree that things are far worse for kids and
youngsters.Youngsters are not supposed to have any opinions. They are not
supposed to question anything – neither at home nor in school. Those who
actually show some originality in thought and/or approach to solving problems
are penalised.

So, here we are in total agreement.

Where I dissent is when it comes to your thesis that OSS helps carving out a
niche where youngsters can learn how to form and express opinions or even
dissenting opinions. I simply don’t get it.

As long as you aren’t involved in creating OSS (as a developer, artist,
translator, documentation writer,…) – and those kids usually aren’t
involved yet – OSS doesn’t do that. How does the use of, say, konqueror helps
anyone more in this regard than IE?

Alright, you were talking about educational software. Fine. Let’s talk about
kalzium and GPeriodic. The use of them as opposed to some proprietary piece
of software, how does it help or promote freedom for kids? I don’t get it!

Honestly, I find your speech very far-fetched.

All this said, I have always been and continue to be a strong evangelist of
educational content and software installed on computer labs at schools – as I
know you are. It makes the difference between glorified typewriters and
modern ICT solutions.

If you think it worth, please don’t hesitate to put up this email on your
blog. I actually intended to comment on your blog entry but found you had
disabled comments. Thus this private email. ;-)

Cheers and keep up the good work
Uwe

My response below:

Actually my thoughts lie on another level here :)
Computers have ACCIDENTALLY become a niche for free speech – because
students as a rule are for quicker on acquiring computer literacy than
their teachers – in other words, the attempts at authoritarian control
is much less effective because the children have the power of
understanding the concepts quicker and more completely.
Now when it comes to free software, I believe this difference gets
even greater since the POTENTIAL that can be learned is so much
bigger, the disparancy is likewize bigger.

On a more philosophical level, there is simply a massive attitude
difference prevalent in the very DESIGNS of free software as opposed
to non-free. This is a direct reflection of the difference in attitude
between those who create free software and those who create non-free.
Free software is created to bring digital freedom – those who believe
in digital freedom are generally ALSO supporters of freedom in other
realms, and tend to have a distinct REFUSAL to build controls into
their software that could intrude with this – whereas proprietory
software take EXACTLY the opposite approach. If there is money in
restricting abilities then proprietory software will restrict it, free
software will not because money or no money, it’s against the
priniciples of free software (and even if you did, it’s free software,
somebody else will subsequently UNDO it).

Already we see the world moving toward an age where programs like
MS-WORD will actually restrict the CONTENT you can create with them
and to whom you may send this. Such restrictions are all easilly
achievable with DRM, a world where big companies will decide what you
may say and to whom you may say it. Free software is fighting to
retain a world where I can write any letter, story, etc. I want in my
wordprocessor, and mail it to any publisher of my choice without
anybody else having to approve it.
Finally, there is simply the fact that using free software opens up
the possibility for those who will in fact come to be contributive
members of the community – a possibility that simply does not exist
with non-free software and which you yourself in your mail grants as
being a powerful form of self-expression.

Though I will grant you that I could have made all the above clearer
in my talk (I will make a note of this for the future).

Ciao A.J

Of course I am far from certain that this is the end of the discussion, mail me your thoughts as well to aj@outkastsolutions.co.za and I will hapilly continue posting the debate as it unfolds.

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As I mentioned before, I spoke today at the Digital Freedom Expose at UWC. Now it’s quite hard to speak when the person before you founded Wikipedia and shortly before him was Lawrence Lessig, but I think I got my message accross anyway.
As promissed some pics and my talk as well as the acompanying presentation are now available.
Herewith some pix:



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