Is the free software community sexist ?

My parody post on sexism was done without my being aware of the current polemic about RMS’s keynote joke, but got dragged into it, and thus forced me to read up on what happened and ask this question myself.

I have at times spoken at length with several female FOSS activists such as Fernanda Weiden about their perceptions and while I have heard them say that the FOSS community is not always welcoming to women, that they often feel excluded and out of place – I have never before heard them complain it was actually sexist.

But now the question has been raised, we as a community have to answer to it. For starters, lets break down the question then. Are there sexist elements in our community ? Absolutely and without question, you will be hard-pressed to find any community of this size in which any particular belief however stupid is not represented. Political philosophies in this community range from extreme liberationists to socialist and everything in between and off to the sides – no doubt there are some sexists in there.

I won’t use the word male-dominated because “dominated” has enormous and in this case largely false connotations – but it is true that in the vast majority of the world the IT sector is largely filled by men, and that in the FOSS sector this discrepancy is worse. There are exceptions of course, in Malaysia the trend is reversed, more than 90% of IT workers are female and it is seen as a traditionally female job – boys are expected to do manly work like becoming policemen.

So that suggests, that there is a strong cultural influence on this. I have also always believed that FOSS community has a unique culture that is significantly more progressive than most. It’s a universal culture for starters – not one you enter by birth but by choice, and we never ask what country you came from, what color you are or even what your sexual orientation is. Most of our interaction happen in a sphere where this is invisible and we wouldn’t care if we did know. I have on occasion seen when stories were posted about FOSS projects in or from Africa that some commenters made racist remarks about the idea of computers in Africa.

Such elements exist, but I don’t think they represent our culture. In the same way our culture includes some sexists, but I don’t think that is typical either, and I don’t think RMS is a sexist, quite the contrary, his opinions on equality and his track record in promoting it proves he has no sexist ideas. He does have a very open and liberal approach to sex, but if anything that is in fact supportive of a large section of the feminist movement. Mentioning sex in mixed company is
most certainly not anti-feminism, doing it during a parody as far as I’m concerned is automatically critical of the idea about it you are presenting.
If anything then, his cult of the virgin mary joke was a feminist statement ! He was mocking the chauvinism that is a prevalent aspect of Catholic history…

But that’s one example – currently in the news, I’m trying to look at the bigger picture .I think sexism is a minority thinking in our community – but what about the other question – is the FOSS community unwelcoming to women ?

Actually no, I don’t think so. It isn’t unwelcoming to anybody – but it’s not particularly welcoming either. It’s a strongly meritocratic culture where one earns your position and respect through achievement. Anybody who can live up to that, will find themselves welcomed – but the community won’t make any particular effort to pull you in or adjust to you. We’re a community of strong minded individualists bound together by mutual self-interest – and we respect people for their
contributions.

I don’t know any single decent programmer who is not in awe of Ada Lovelace and Grace Hopper – for their achievements they retain a demigod stature in our community equivalent to that of an RMS or a Linus Torvalds – but they played by our rules. Their equals are out there, and true they are still a minority but it is growing.

The problem right now with women in FOSS I believe is a circular one, there aren’t many women there, so new joinees feel singled out, so there aren’t many new joinees and some of them leave again, and the cycle repeats. Slowly it is changing, eventually I believe we’ll see a much fairer representation of women in FOSS than we do now, ultimately I expect it will be fairer than in the rest of I.T. because we are so open to individual ideas and reasoning. Furthermore because we judge by merit and merit alone – women will find that our community has far fewer glass ceilings than the rest of I.T. does, particularly corporate I.T.

This will also change the culture I believe, and I accept that. We have always been a culture that was happy to make fun of things, anybody, anything. This has been a cornerstone of our culture for years, and it’s interesting that in that “anybody anything” we include ourselves. Nobody makes more jokes about the false stereotype of the “nerdy men who can’t talk to girls” than we ourselves do.

It’s blatantly untrue, but we joke about it as much as we joke about anybody else, it’s practically a cornerstone of our expression of the free speech we believe in – that nothing is too holy to be made fun off.

This joking attitude I guess can actually make a woman feel exposed when we make a joke about sex, especially as she may well be highly outnumbered. I understand the feeling, it also suggests an answer to why my experience is that most of the women who cope well in FOSS happen to be the younger, more liberal kind who find jokes about sex funny rather than offensive (I’m describing a trend, I know it’s not an exact representation and it’s not even a specifically accurate one, just a trend) – because they will handle those situations more confidently and with less offense.

I personally think that, that is a healthier attitude and in fact certainly a lot more pro-feminist (women should feel just as
comfortable laughing about the silliness that is human procreation as men do – that they don’t is a symptom of the remaining double-standard in how we raise our children).

So then, the final question. We know there is an imbalance, we can identify at least some things that perpetuate that imbalance. They are not sexism, meritocracy and sexism are by nature exclusive ideals – you cannot support both, but they are real – and the question is: should we do anything to speed up changing it ?

I say “speed up” because I am convinced the problem will solve itself in time – we don’t need to do anything to fix it, but we may lose a lot of talent if we wait it out. So how can we help this happen faster ?

Well, I don’t have the slightest clue. We dare not let our core values, individualist communalism and meritocracy be affected – but other cultural expressions and traditions are up for debate. I don’t think however that I can or should make any statements about which should change or how. I know who can and should – the women already in our community.

Adrianna Pinski, Fernanda Weiden, Chani Armitage, Christel Breedt and all the rest of you – you are our women heroes, our pioneers.

We need your voices here. We built this culture without them – and it is not all it can be because of that. Speak up – don’t look for sexism where it doesn’t exist, but tell us how to reduce that feeling of being singled out.

Do you want us to just ignore your gender ? Well we’ve been doing that, pretty much just treating you like on of the guys (the ruby porn thing was a particular example of that – you felt out of place in this guy-joke thing, but that’s just it – nobody bothered to be sensitive to you as women because that you were women was never even considered or thought about).

Apparently this actually made you some of you feel more singled out.

So what would you prefer ? How can we do it better ? Not everyone will do what you suggest, and that’s okay – we’re after all, an individualist society and we put individual choice and freedom of expression to be higher virtues than social acceptance or pleasing others – but some will, some of the time.

Some of us will care about it because you are not just women in FOSS – you are our friends, and we don’t want you to feel uncomfortable. We shouldn’t be limited to those girls who are “one of the guys” – but before that will change – there needs to be enough of you that “one of the geeks” doesn’t actually mean “one of the guys” as it does now.

I think the FOSS community can do better here. I reject the allegation of sexism outright, but I do believe it brings to light an opportunity to improve our culture to make it more inclusive and more comfortable for people whose talents we provably need.

I do know that it’s not an easy thing to find answers for. I have heard many women in the FOSS world complain that they constantly get asked out at technical conferences. Being asked out is probably not bad, but being asked out ten times a day because you’re the only girl there… that must suck and I fully understand their feelings about it.

Of course, you can’t predict where you’ll meet your perfect person either, some of the happiest geek couples I know met at conferences. Maybe the answer is that in such a milieu until there is parity in the gendercount, the women can ask the men out if they wish, not the other way around ?

Like I said, I’m asking questions. I don’t know the answers, we need the women who are in our community to help us come up with them.

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3 Responses to “Is the free software community sexist ?”

  1. Aragon says:

    Did you know that in the US in the 80s the IT field consisted of nearly 40% women? Now it’s below 20%. I do wonder what went wrong. :)

  2. Lefty says:

    The participation of women in FLOSS development, according to the FLOSSPOLS study, is under 2%. That gibes with the attendance of women at the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, where I’d estimate there were no more than 40 women out of over 1000 attendees in total.

    It doesn’t seem that we’re as “open” as we could be. Why should only one-tenth the number of women decide to work in FLOSS as decide to work in IT in general (where people seem to agree that representation is low)?

    If anything then, his cult of the virgin mary joke was a feminist statement ! He was mocking the chauvinism that is a prevalent aspect of Catholic history…

    Too bad his “joke” went over the heads of the entire audience. Maybe he should consider removing that level of erudition from his routine, or supply explanatory materials in advance. Oddly, no one had trouble following Robert Lefkowitz’s keynote, which seemed a lot more erudite to me…

    I think it’s interesting, and a bit peculiar, that—in spite of the fact that I was very clearly interested in having Mr. Stallman understand the sense that many of us in the audience came away with regarding his “joke”, to the point of writing a second email in order to make that absolutely clear—the word “women” doesn’t appear even a single time in either of his responses. What do you make of that?

  3. silentcoder says:

    Lefty,

    You are quick to make these statements… but RMS founded this community, many of us have been members for decades – and we appreciate his humor, this is the first time in over two decades of St. Ignutius that anybody has ever complained… how is it possible that a FOSS conference this big, gets RMS to give a keynote and is surprised at it’s contents ?

    Now I asked the question – do we need to be more open ? Should we be encouraging anybody in particular to join more than others ? Or do we stick to our proven ideal of meritocratic governance ? I stand by meritocracy – earn your place, no special favors, for anybody.
    I also refused to accept or promote any kind of censorship of ideas – even ideas I don’t agree with, but I asked those who seemed to be complaining to say what bothers them – so we can engage in a conversation and promote better understanding, that is how I believe you solve problems.

    Only one of them bothered to respond, her response was essentially one of “I’m sick of hearing the same jokes all the time”, none of her examples however were about women, in fact I could point out that at least one of them was about a certain subculture of men online !
    But these jokes have a timeline I guess, not everybody was around when they started, so they don’t get them.

    She censored my response saying “all you did was to try and convince me to change my mind”… well, I have to say, last time I checked, that was what a debate was supposed to be, but I really hadn’t been trying to anyway. I was trying to have a rational discussion about a perceived problem… to try and understand her side, and hopefully help her understand the other side, so that there can be a peaceful and happy collaboration.

    Instead… she shut down the conversation the moment I dared to offer an alternative perspective on anything.

    My final words to her, which she may or may not have bothered to read, is the same ones I offer you, and after that experience the totality of my willingness to engage:
    While you are fighting against our rights to make a joke, we are fighting to defend your right to make false accusations against us in public.

    You are talking to people who will never lay a charge of libel even if you are outright committing it because we are opposed to the idea of libel laws (and we realize that we wouldn’t have needed them in the first place if some idiot wasn’t dumb enough to give free speech and other human rights to non-human entities like corporations).

    Sorry, but since we stand consistently in our views – I think we win. Chani Armitage in the same blog you quoted said something far more sexist than even your worst interpretation of Stallmans’ joke… and nobody batted an eye.
    “When you have a bunch of men thinking about taking women’s virginity, I start to wonder how many will take it by force”…

    Now that is insulting, sexist and outright wrong. You want real sexism to fight ? How about the fact that in South Africa raping a man is still not a recognized crime ?! Regardless of whether it’s done by me or women ! Most studies suggest that men are victims of rape as often as women, because rape is not about sex men get raped by both genders (while woman-on-woman rape is almost non-existent) and the severity of the actions during male rape is typically far wider and more traumatic.

    But it’s not sexist for a woman to declare an irrational fear of being raped because somebody made a joke she didn’t get…

    Well, I defend her right to make that sexist statement, a I defend my right to make any joke I want to. That’s the only value that actually makes sense here.

    I stand by my definition of sexism as well, it’s just another form of discrimination: it’s judging a person based on something that was born rather than chosen. Such judgements are all equal – and equally wrong.
    There is no point anymore to feminism, nor to black-empowerment or anything else. What there is a massive point to is a united movement to end all discrimination, against anybody, ever.

    That is what I believe in, and what I understand Stallman to believe in. It’s not very politically correct sounding, but it’s the only thing that will actually make the world better, not worse in this regard.
    And a key factor in that, is to realize that free speech comes first. There is no greater discrimination than censorship, it’s the discrimination against ideas or thoughts that are unpopular, and it’s single-handedly been responsible for more death and destruction in human history than any and every other kind of discrimination together.

    Sorry, I can’t support your way of doing things.

    I will finish this rant by quoting a female friend of mine who read this post and then said to me (I’m paraphrasing but I won’t modify any meaning, just get to the relevant part, she’ll read this so I can’t lie):
    “I have absolutely no respect for lay ideas about sexism and feminism, but a lot of respect for academic ideas about them”.

    In short, all these people crying sexism… don’t know what sexism is. It’s the outrage of the ignorant, and we have more important things to deal with.

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